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Post by boromike on Mar 24, 2024 21:19:03 GMT
Anyone else getting a bit tired though of saying ‘hope we see him back one day’? Pavey, Hady & Aaron all in the space of 6 months 😢 Thing is Mike, we live in hope - although I recall one CEO of mine once saying to the meeting that "Hope" is not a strategy! Maybe the strategy needs to change so we no longer have to live in hope!! Yep, it does need to change. As they say, it’s the hope that kills you. I was buzzing on the way back from Dover yesterday, feel deflated now. Five wins on the bounce, everything looking good, then wallop have a colossal kick in the bollocks to round off the weekend. We have more ups and downs than the lift at the Eiffel Tower. |
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Post by Tom Bowen on Mar 24, 2024 21:52:57 GMT
Let's wait and see if Spencer pulls one out of the bag before Thursday before piling on the doom and gloom.
He has a lot of contacts and no doubt he's on the phone as we speak
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Post by boromike on Mar 24, 2024 22:18:55 GMT
Let's wait and see if Spencer pulls one out of the bag before Thursday before piling on the doom and gloom. He has a lot of contacts and no doubt he's on the phone as we speak It’s not doom and gloom, just the way I feel about the situation. It’s a big ask for Spencer to find another Aaron Kuhl with such little time and in reality we need that to happen by tomorrow so they’re available for Tuesday night. We only had 4 subs on Saturday so we are extremely thin on the ground, if everyone is fit/ not suspended we only have 16 players to pick from. Not sure what’s happened to Connor Cullen? If hes not out on loan or injured would assume he’d be on the bench. Perhaps it’s time we pull the ‘parent club’ card and recall someone, how has Mekki been doing at Bracknell? Assume Taylor Clark will play instead of Kuhl but maybe bringing Mekki back in as midfield cover might be prudent. I’ve mentioned this before but why is Hady still on the squad list on the website? Aaron has already been removed but Hady remains, odd. |
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Post by antz27 on Mar 24, 2024 23:19:24 GMT
In my opinion moving forward if we’re loaning from the league above and we’re covering the wages then don’t accept a recall clause. If we’re loaning from the actual football league then yes I can understand the recalls but from the NL it just stinks of clubs getting rid of what they don’t want until they realise they do want it. It’s like as a kid giving your sibling your rubbish toy as it’s battered an no good and they make it better and then you want it back.
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Post by Admin on Mar 25, 2024 7:16:03 GMT
it just stinks of clubs getting rid of what they don’t want until they realise they do want it. It’s like as a kid giving your sibling your rubbish toy as it’s battered an no good and they make it better and then you want it back. Surely a prime purpose of a loan is for the loan player to work hard, get match fit and (if younger) to gain valuable experience, so, if needed due to injuries, loss of form etc, they can return to the parent club in far better shape than previously? We've made the mistake before of assuming loans will run their full term or even beyond when the loan player concerned has a pivotal role in the team. It's always a risk. The alternative is to avoid loans and make permanent signings instead. Looking at how our permanent signings from last summer panned out, I'd say that's a risk too. |
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Post by boromike on Mar 25, 2024 8:21:11 GMT
In my opinion moving forward if we’re loaning from the league above and we’re covering the wages then don’t accept a recall clause. If we’re loaning from the actual football league then yes I can understand the recalls but from the NL it just stinks of clubs getting rid of what they don’t want until they realise they do want it. It’s like as a kid giving your sibling your rubbish toy as it’s battered an no good and they make it better and then you want it back. Completely agree good analogy. |
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Post by boromike on Mar 25, 2024 8:30:43 GMT
it just stinks of clubs getting rid of what they don’t want until they realise they do want it. It’s like as a kid giving your sibling your rubbish toy as it’s battered an no good and they make it better and then you want it back. Surely a prime purpose of a loan is for the loan player to work hard, get match fit and (if younger) to gain valuable experience, so, if needed due to injuries, loss of form etc, they can return to the parent club in far better shape than previously? We've made the mistake before of assuming loans will run their full term or even beyond when the loan player concerned has a pivotal role in the team. It's always a risk. The alternative is to avoid loans and make permanent signings instead. Looking at how our permanent signings from last summer panned out, I'd say that's a risk too. Yes that’s the primary purpose of a loan for the parent club, and if they are paying the wages then they of course have every right to recall at anytime. However, if the borrowing club is paying all or even a percentage of the wages then it goes beyond one club doing another a mutually beneficial favour, and becomes a business transaction. In that scenario the borrowing club should only be agreeing to pay wages if the loan is for a defined amount of time without the option to recall. Otherwise what happened with Hady & Aaron will always be the scenario with loan players and loaning a player becomes pointless because there are only two possible outcomes - 1. The player doesn’t perform and the loan is a waste of time. 2. The player performs well and is recalled by parent club. The key is to learn from this and do something differently as we can’t keep being left up shit creek due to loans being recalled, but like you say permanent signings come with their own potential pitfalls as well. |
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Post by smithy on Mar 25, 2024 8:58:02 GMT
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere though at in our league 99% of the loans have that recall clause in as it makes business sense for both parties. We aren’t a big enough club that we can demand no recall clauses - the higher clubs will just offer the players elsewhere. We need to be realistic about our position. Without these loans we wouldn’t be where we are now.
So rather than bemoan what’s happened let’s be greatful for the time we had. Taylor Clarke looks good. Worthing has a midfield of Taylor, Joe, Olly & Aaron - that was a great midfield. Let’s be positive. I’m sure Spencer is trying to find a replacement.
Can I also add Aaron was also playing during that horrific run in January. The team has evolved since then. This is just another evolution.
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Post by boromike on Mar 25, 2024 9:19:58 GMT
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere though at in our league 99% of the loans have that recall clause in as it makes business sense for both parties. We aren’t a big enough club that we can demand no recall clauses - the higher clubs will just offer the players elsewhere. We need to be realistic about our position. Without these loans we wouldn’t be where we are now. So rather than bemoan what’s happened let’s be greatful for the time we had. Taylor Clarke looks good. Worthing has a midfield of Taylor, Joe, Olly & Aaron - that was a great midfield. Let’s be positive. I’m sure Spencer is trying to find a replacement. Can I also add Aaron was also playing during that horrific run in January. The team has evolved since then. This is just another evolution. Agree in part but still think if you’re taking the burden of the wages then you have some clout when agreeing the terms, as you are also doing a favour to the parent club. Whilst I agree we need to be realistic we also need to get past this tiny club mentality. I am grateful, I just get frustrated by the one step forward two steps back we regularly have no choice but to take and I know I’ll get called a doom and gloom merchant but however it’s spun, losing Aaron feels more like devolution than evolution to me. |
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Post by ginger49 on Mar 25, 2024 10:38:15 GMT
This is obviously gutting as he has been a stand out performer since arriving in October, but we were very lucky to get him in the first place.i know some of you laugh at Spencer when he talks about budget but he has managed to steel a few this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see arron back in the summer.
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Post by Tom Bowen on Mar 25, 2024 11:44:54 GMT
The recruitment strategy in the summer will be interesting.
NL players that appear to treat this level as a retirement home should be steered clear of. We want players that are passionate and want to wear the shirt. A lot of our summer signings are no longer here or are out on loan.
Players a similar age to Kuhl should come from the NL, and I think we look at Step 2 and below for gems coming through, as well as at the U21's. That worked pretty well for us last season.
Thinking about of the some of the positions that could improve, I think we should have:
A backup keeper
A left back that gives JNW competition so both him and another LB grow together, because competition makes people work harder.
CB perhaps of Lokko's quality.
A right back. What happened to Ben Mason, is he injured?
We need a holding midfielder to work alongside Penders and (hopefully!) Aaron Kuhl again. I think someone similar to Deering or Page last season.
I don't think Taylor Maloney was that bad, I think we should try and get a similar type of player to him.
On the wings, Reggie and Selim do an excellent job. Again, similar to the LB I'd quite like to see a signing/s that give them competition.
Striker, we'd all love Pavey back but as Hish is proving at the minute, sometimes players having a second bite of the cherry doesn't always work.
Obviously, not all of my suggestions can be put in place, as budgets are low at this level. But I think just a handful those would make to a great squad. We do have a good core, but to improve on that and make the squad work in harmony is the real key.
Let's worry about that on April 20! And possibly beyond if we gatecrash the playoffs.
#UpTheF*****gBoro
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Post by james on Mar 25, 2024 17:18:23 GMT
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Aaron Kuhl’s contract with dorking expires on May 31 2024. (this was via transfermarkt which isn’t the must reliable source)
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Post by boromike on Mar 25, 2024 19:15:50 GMT
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Aaron Kuhl’s contract with dorking expires on May 31 2024. (this was via transfermarkt which isn’t the must reliable source) That potentially could be good news if Dorking go down. |
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Post by beardedavenger on Mar 26, 2024 21:51:10 GMT
I see Mukuna has also left. Sighed for Havant & Waterville.
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Post by farnboroughfan1 on Mar 29, 2024 15:11:31 GMT
Starts on bench for Dorking today
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