Sin bins in football....??

The full Daily Telegraph article can be read here:-
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Interesting that there's a split emerging between FIFA and UEFA.

Wholeheartedly disagree. This has been trialed at grassroots football for a couple of years now and has (in my opinion) helped referees remain in control of matches in difficult circumstances.



The level of abuse and dissent in football at all levels is out of control and needs to be dealt with. Those moaning about it affecting “proper” football or have a problem with teams being a player down for 10 minutes are, in my mind, condoning the abuse and dissent in football.



I’m afraid until players start behaving themselves, things like this should be implemented.

Great! more bureaucracy....just what the game needs!!
Have they really thought this through?
Who would control the time out for the sin binned? Where do they serve the time? Does it need extra dugouts? Who pays for the extra official? He might need three or four extra stop watches to control it as well!
It might work internationally, where some games already have six officials!! Lord knows why?

Who defines what a cynical foul is? One in a goal scoring position already carries a red card option! 

We already have a yellow card, so, if we need the sin bin option, why not use those as the sin bin?
Three or four yellows in a team is not uncommon, and I'm sure the first game that has to be abandoned because a team goes down to less than seven players on the field will concentrate minds!!

The real answer is for players and Management staff to respect Match Officials, and accept that mistakes can be made, which usually even out over a season.

More than two players disputing a decision should also be subject to yellow cards, although I believe that may possibly be the case already!

Easier said than done, but responsibility has to be taken where players are 'coached' in the dark arts of conning/cheating referees by diving and screaming at the slightest breeze of contact, and rolling in agony, only to be sprinting like Usain Bolt later.

VAR has not proved exceptional, and should be confined to goal in or out, in conjunction with the goal line technology, and anything absolutely obvious that the referee has missed.
Forget the offside by toenail rubbish and let the match officials do their job!

Lets just leave the game alone eh? and let everyone play.
 

Will make it much more difficult to watch aswell, just leave the game as it is. Already messed around with it far too much in last 5 years compared to ever before

Sending someone off for ten minutes is not much of a punishment if they can then come back on to play. Granted, they know that if they get a blue card once, they are on a final warning, but as I say, it's not much different to a yellow in that regard. Some refs will say no to a foul and some will say yes and this is where the consistency issues lies.

I don't think referees lose control. Whether he or she is persuaded by the players is a different matter, but they don't lose control. They still have the authority. For example, when Man City were playing Spurs earlier this season, Erling Haaland went absolutely ballistic at the ref for calling it back when City were through on goal in added time. The ref didn't change his position though, and was very confident in making his decision. That isn't losing control to me. People criticise refs all time but they still have the authority and the control. 

I don't think anyone is disputing that abuse shouldn't be removed from the game, but when there is already a card system there that we are seeing officials use for dissent, booking managers, coaches and players more than they were last season, then I refer back to my point that it completely nullifies the argument for a sinbin.

I'll throw my 2 pence in as a Saturday referee.

@tombowen
I imagine that will all be discovered in due course with the trials beginning soon. But I agree I do have some concerns about what a cynical foul is. A lot of fouls nowadays are 50/50 anyway with some refs saying no and some saying yes.

In the Laws Of Association Football, on the foul laws of the game it states "it is a foul in the referees opinion if........" Therefore, each referee has a different opinion on what constitutes as as foul. Indeed, some will say yes and some will say no as no two referees the same and generally no two fouls are the same. Referees are not robotic terminators who see all angles, views and versions of fouls. It will always be in the referees opinion, whether right or wrong in someone else opinion. It's not consistency, it's a different opinion each time in each scenario.

3) All will happen is football will turn into a defensive training exercise. 11v10 for ten minutes, and the opposition know they just need to park the bus. Ridiculous idea that is completely unnecessary.

Indeed at the start it would. After weeks/months of teams going down to 10 men for foul and abusive, watch if they continue to do it. It's a deterrent for the disgusting language used at referees by players. A bit like a yellow card after three or four fouls by a 'industrial' type of player. Do they continue after with the threat of getting sent off? No. At the start it will be brimmed sin bins as the current attitude towards officials isn't acceptable (bred mainly from Premier League players showing off on TV). Once the precedence is set that it's not acceptable, it will improve. Teams will not want to go down to 10 men deliberately and their teammates will be pretty pissed off their star striker decided to mouth off to the referee for disagreeing with their opinion. Note rugby referee taking no grief. 

It would have great effect to restore the respect. All too often you see it on TV on referee and assistants getting it in the ear, in a really cowardly manner with the player running off as they shout at the referee. It's not acceptable. '. 

It's very easy to manage the scenario. 4th official can handle it at the higher levels. At lower levels, just a simple timer on the existing referee watch activates the "sin bin" mode to count out the 10 minutes.

If implemented and used properly; after a while it won't need to be used if the players are no longer berating officials. The threat still remains if needed, but until players can behave and set an example, it won't be irradiated. 

Sin bins were used lower down the pyramid on a Saturday and have seen them used properly on Saturday's and Sunday's.

There is no place for foul and abusive language to officials in the game. Unfortunately at present, it seems the norm.

I think this thread proves that some here don't actually watch any football outside of Farnborough.

This has been going on pre pandemic at Step 5 and below. It works very well and the amount of sin bins, is very low. Because when one does it, the rest learn.

With the amount of games I have seen at Step and 6, I think I may have seen 20 sin bins in all that time, mainly for disagreeing a free kick. The team then have to suffer 10 minutes without, maybe a key player. In 2 instances, it was a goalkeeper. An outfield player has to go in goal for that 10 minutes. In that time both the offending sides conceeded a goal. One was Virginia Water v Reading City, the other Cobham v Badshot Lea, last season.

The problem in the Premier League is that now VAR is in (which should be removed forthwith), we have goal line technology, that will suffice. It is all done to appease the TV channels and their money in the game. They don't give two hoots about people in the stadiums, just the ones sat on their backsides in the armchair.

Farnborough aren't playing on Tuesday night, there are plenty of Step 5 and 6 games in the local vicinity. You may be lucky and get a sin bin, then again as players have learnt over the last few seasons. Keep it shut. 

Please remember, without the three/four men/women in black, you'd be going round Asda on a Saturday afternoon instead.