shaun
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Post by shaun on Nov 21, 2023 23:33:16 GMT
There is absolutely no justification got booing and shouting "you're shit" at players applauding the fans that bothered to stay to the end and not abuse them WHEN THAT'S OUR FIRST HOME DEFEAT OF THE SEASON. To everybody who remembers football before the Premier League and so much money it's become farcical, teams lost football games and no one lost their minds and booed and swore at our players. Not least this is non league. These players don't need that shit. They aren't being paid hundreds of thousands a week. And before you start, I'm not saying things aren't concerning. Something isn't right and I'm not sure what's suddenly going wrong besides knee jerk changes and ranting and alienating his own players by our imperious leader. Playing real life Football Manager isn't the answer. If he was a Premier League manager he'd have to wait till January and work with what he had. Difference tonight was Worthing recognised things weren't working and changed things at half time. We did nothing. Clearly someone didn't earn their corn at halftime. How about when things aren't going brilliantly we support them rather than immediately booing. Pathetic entitlement. I would usually agree that taking it out on the players is harsh but when you can clearly see their not putting in the effort and the manager is 1) unwilling to take blame 2) can’t, won’t, will never be held to account for poor performances then it’s inevitable that the players will end up on the receiving end of the fans anger. Again you’ve mentioned it’s our first home loss which I accept but in football you have to factor in all performances and recently they’ve not been good 1 point from a possible 15, no away win in 9 months. Our next games we have 2 at home against teams in the top 6 and 3 away games against teams who have a better home record than our dismal away record. By Christmas we could be in the relegation zone. I think that's unfair to say they didn't put the effort in tonight.They did but got outplayed in the second half after the 2 quick goals.The first goal was crucial and I think Ollie was looking for a free kick and went down too easily. The 2 Conner's got no service at all.I get it we have no right back but Reggie should doing is thing up front not at the back. As for the boo boys at the end welcome to the real world of non league football.You have had a good couple of years but now the going gets tough you start crying. Ps Number 23 their right back Joe Felix was really good tonight.Sure he was at Boro some time ago.
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Post by jumaiton on Nov 21, 2023 23:37:31 GMT
I would usually agree that taking it out on the players is harsh but when you can clearly see their not putting in the effort and the manager is 1) unwilling to take blame 2) can’t, won’t, will never be held to account for poor performances then it’s inevitable that the players will end up on the receiving end of the fans anger. Again you’ve mentioned it’s our first home loss which I accept but in football you have to factor in all performances and recently they’ve not been good 1 point from a possible 15, no away win in 9 months. Our next games we have 2 at home against teams in the top 6 and 3 away games against teams who have a better home record than our dismal away record. By Christmas we could be in the relegation zone. I think that's unfair to say they didn't put the effort in tonight.They did but got outplayed in the second half after the 2 quick goals.The first goal was crucial and I think Ollie was looking for a free kick and went down too easily. The 2 Conner's got no service at all.I get it we have no right back but Reggie should doing is thing up front not at the back. As for the boo boys at the end welcome to the real world of non league football.You have had a good couple of years but now the going gets tough you start crying. Ps Number 23 their right back Joe Felix was really good tonight.Sure he was at Boro some time ago. Well said. I don't think there was a lack of effort besides maybe one or two and one particular sub. You don't have to be happy with losing 3-0 at home but booing and abusing is beyond the pale
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Post by Tom Bowen on Nov 21, 2023 23:48:31 GMT
Despite the performance I'd be inclined to agree with the comments on here regarding booing at the end. We have been on the up since lockdown.
As a club, we have been in administration twice, been liquidated once and been floundering at the depths of step 4. Since lockdown we have been on an upward trajectory, generally speaking, and the first half of this season is nothing in comparison to what we've been through as I say. Is it a comparison to last season's success? Maybe, but we really need to forget about that and focus on this season and how to improve (THAT MEANS EVERYBODY)
Onto Saturday, against a wash basin.
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Post by msgribbin on Nov 22, 2023 0:43:07 GMT
Agree with previous posters here - the players didn't deserve the boos tonight, there was no lack of effort. They were well beaten, yes, but tough times when confidence plummets is exactly when we need to stand behind the team. There'll be days like this, that's sport. We pick up and move on.
Bath will be tough, we'll need to dig in. Would like to see three central midfielders to help us compete better, make us tougher to play through and break down. Less of an attacking set up but sometimes better to play it tight.
Whatever though, let's get behind the boys again on Saturday
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Post by psimms50 on Nov 22, 2023 9:59:47 GMT
Some people really do need a reality check. As has been said by others on this thread, look at the progress the club and team have made over the last couple of seasons and acknowledge as a club we are in a much better place. Boro supporters of a certain age will know this only too well. With respect to those so called supporters booing the players at full time, get real, they were beaten by a better team, not by any lack of desire or effort, it happens in sport.
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Post by boromike on Nov 22, 2023 11:09:26 GMT
Reality check indeed. I don’t agree with the booing and the singing ‘we’re fucking shit’ it is so counter productive. Negativity breeds negativity and those fans need to stop that shit and get behind the team, even when things aren’t going well. That’s when they need us most.
That being said, I think a lot here are being a little insincere with regards to how poor that second half was. Yes, Worthing are a good side, yes they played well in the second half, but we didn’t register a single meaningful chance in the second half and for me the players gave it up at 0-2.
For comparison look at Chippenham, earned a hard earned point at home to Yeovil last night, why aren’t we getting performances/results like that? Freddie Grant was man of the match, a player I’d love to still be with us if for nothing more than his never say die attitude, willingness to run through brick walls and his connection with the supporters. Attributes that are in short supply currently.
Let’s be honest, after tonight we are now looking over our shoulder down the table, rather than excitedly upwards toward the play offs and with the underwhelming performance of this squad a mid table finish is the best we can hope for. That’s ok, as long as it’s recognised by supporters, as it’s the hope that kills you! I had hoped and was excited for more, but we have to be realistic and it’s clear this squad isn’t going to do what’s necessary to achieve a top 7 finish.
I don’t think the current squad is up for the challenge but to be fair to them the negativity off the pitch the last few weeks, (Chippenham, Weymouth, Slough) as well as Spencer’s public criticism will have had an adverse effect on morale. Again, negativity breeds negativity.
On the subject of the management team, wtf were they doing last night!? 0-2 down on 50 minutes, never looking at all like scoring one goal, let alone turning it around, yet they wait until the 75th minute to make any changes, and when they finally do make changes they take off the taller of the two forwards (Hall) and yet continue to pump long balls forward towards a helpless Connor Cullen. There was no mention of injury to Folivi by SD, if he was fit it seems totally bizarre not to bring him on and makes me wonder if he will be the latest scapegoat! Granted he wasn’t great at Slough but I put that down to the total lack of service, which like yesterday amounted to hopeful long balls and chasing lost causes. I genuinely feel really sorry for the forwards at the moment to be honest. Even if we had Hish, Pavey & Bloomfield up top we still wouldn’t have scored in the second half last night or at Slough (the goal we scored was a pretty fortunate one from a long throw).
For me the loss at Chippenham was a catalyst, had we gone there and nicked a hard fought 0-1 on the back of two convincing home wins, I think we would have kicked on full of confidence coming in to Weymouth at home. Regrettably it went the other way and we are now desperate for something to raise the morale of the whole club.
Last thing I want to comment on is the atmosphere at home which has been poor this season in comparison to last year. At the friendly v Dorking it was absolutely bouncing for the entire second half but we’ve not managed to recreate anywhere near that level of noise/support since. I get that the players need to give us something to shout about but sometimes when the chips are down they need us to lift them. It works both ways.
Anyway, for my own sanity I’m going to reduce my expectations, get back to taking it a match at a time and just being grateful that we are competing at step 2. Rome wasn’t built in a day…..
Come on the Boro!!!
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Post by Tom Bowen on Nov 22, 2023 11:40:49 GMT
Last thing I want to comment on is the atmosphere at home which has been poor this season in comparison to last year. At the friendly v Dorking it was absolutely bouncing for the entire second half but we’ve not managed to recreate anywhere near that level of noise/support since. I get that the players need to give us something to shout about but sometimes when the chips are down they need us to lift them. It works both ways. When we played Weymouth, one of the lads who was sat next to me said he was surprised at the attendance (even though it was our second-biggest of the season), and said that he thought the main stand behind the goal would be full. It's an interesting point. We have fantastic facilities, and haven't really increased attendances in recent years. With the squad that we have, off the back of our best season in years with the cup run and the playoff push, we really should be pushing four figures... But as I say, I've never seen that stand full at a game. It was full on the firework event night, which is a good way to get money into the club, but it would be great if we could get those people to come along to the games too!
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Post by boromike on Nov 22, 2023 12:16:24 GMT
Last thing I want to comment on is the atmosphere at home which has been poor this season in comparison to last year. At the friendly v Dorking it was absolutely bouncing for the entire second half but we’ve not managed to recreate anywhere near that level of noise/support since. I get that the players need to give us something to shout about but sometimes when the chips are down they need us to lift them. It works both ways. When we played Weymouth, one of the lads who was sat next to me said he was surprised at the attendance (even though it was our second-biggest of the season), and said that he thought the main stand behind the goal would be full. It's an interesting point. We have fantastic facilities, and haven't really increased attendances in recent years. With the squad that we have, off the back of our best season in years with the cup run and the playoff push, we really should be pushing four figures... But as I say, I've never seen that stand full at a game. It was full on the firework event night, which is a good way to get money into the club, but it would be great if we could get those people to come along to the games too! I don’t think we will see that stand full unless we get promoted or us as fans take it upon ourselves to do something. There’s next to no local advertising or initiatives to grow the supporter base and without promotion it’s not going to significantly grow organically. Im old school and I like to stand at football, but I often think we could improve our atmosphere beyond measure if in the second half when shooting that way we all just abandoned the terrace and moved to the proper PRE stand. Divide it in half, those that want to sit down do so in the first 7 rows (kids and families) those that want to stand and be vocal do so in the back 6 rows, the stand would then be a lot fuller and absolutely rocking, it would be epic and would improve the atmosphere so much, which would help the players and attract new fans. Currently we are far too spread out to create a real atmosphere. In my opinion it’s another example of how we are not making the most of our resources. It’s an easy initiative us fans should really just make happen as I don’t believe anyone at the club has the will or truly recognises the value of a proper home atmosphere. If that stand was full we could create a similar atmosphere to rival that of the East Bank and when people see a full stand of passionate and vocal Boro fans week after week they’ll want to be part of it and the attendances would quickly grow.
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Post by borobob on Nov 22, 2023 12:18:37 GMT
Attendances have crept up quite well this season, and probably averaging around the 650/700, haven't checked the actual figures!, but from the tv angle it does look quite sparse.
This is probably due to the fact of a large stadium with a capacity of 7000, and supporters pretty well spread out, so it looks worse than it is.
Would love to see attendances like the firework night on a regular basis, when the big stand is full because of safety rules with the fireworks, and everyone goes in to the same spot, which is why we can only get 1300 to the fireworks!
Oh for the day when that is a reality for a match!!
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Post by boromike on Nov 22, 2023 12:28:18 GMT
Attendances have crept up quite well this season, and probably averaging around the 650/700, haven't checked the actual figures!, but from the tv angle it does look quite sparse. This is probably due to the fact of a large stadium with a capacity of 7000, and supporters pretty well spread out, so it looks worse than it is. Would love to see attendances like the firework night on a regular basis, when the big stand is full because of safety rules with the fireworks, and everyone goes in to the same spot, which is why we can only get 1300 to the fireworks! Oh for the day when that is a reality for a match!! Agreed. Second half a large portion of our support congregate in the one part of the ground the cameras don’t pick them up! It’s not going to be a reality Bob because like you say we are far too spread out and no one is driving any initiatives to improve atmosphere and grow attendance.
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Post by betweenthesticks on Nov 22, 2023 14:17:42 GMT
Anyone know where the 3 outdoor TV's that were in the FanZone have gone too..?
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Post by boromike on Nov 22, 2023 14:20:25 GMT
Anyone know where the 3 outdoor TV's that were in the FanZone have gone too..? Yes I saw them last night - they’re in the shop in cardboard boxes lined up against the wall underneath where the shirts hang.
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Post by northlondonboro on Nov 22, 2023 15:05:17 GMT
4 defeats and a draw in November so far.
The evidence seems to be there that team morale and confidence is low, following that run of results and after going two down last night (to a side that will definitely make the play offs).
I really hope there is a better plan to address this run of form than re-installing the revolving door for shipping players in and out a la Football Manager...
On the good news front, Pruti's extended his loan and, compared to Woeking's current situation, we're comparatively light on the doom and gloom. Only comparatively though.
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mickey
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Post by mickey on Nov 22, 2023 15:13:18 GMT
] It’s not going to be a reality Bob because like you say we are far too spread out and no one is driving any initiatives to improve atmosphere and grow attendance.
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Vince Williams got a bonus when he achieved four figure attendances.
Needs someone working on incentives.
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Post by antz27 on Nov 22, 2023 15:45:06 GMT
The only incentive I know of is the kids get in free.
Attendances usually increase if your doing well I have no doubts that if we were near the top or challenging we would get 800 / 900 as excitement breeds an increase, mid table we will average around the 600 and I wouldn’t be surprised if we do go down the table for attendances to drop to maybe 400.
The only supporters who will feel the need to go every game will be the season ticket holders and maybe the true die hard, the rest will base their attendance on current performance/ weather and won’t want to spend £16 watching more of what we watched in the second half
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