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Post by psimms50 on Sept 20, 2020 14:45:07 GMT
Rumour that Merthyr have resigned from the league and Poole who they were due to play next Tuesday have been given a bye to the next round.
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Post by borobob on Sept 20, 2020 17:56:49 GMT
I noticed they didn't play yesterday, but then I remembered the League is one Club short, so there will always be one over each week. Hope the rumours aren't true for them.
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Post by hawleybootboy on Sept 20, 2020 19:54:33 GMT
From what was said on twatter, it is tied-up with issues with the Welsh government restrictions and their ability to be able to successfully start and complete the season - however there seems to be a massive lack of communication between the Merthyr board and their fans over all this. They are taking the necessary steps to ensure the survival of the club and that they will still be around to play in a year's time, even if they do take a relegation as a consequence, rather than fall into receivership because they are unable to play under restrictions imposed by the Welsh govt. Not a pleasant position for those that run the club to be in, let alone the fans just watching a disaster unfold before them!
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Sept 21, 2020 3:20:44 GMT
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Post by lawson on Sept 21, 2020 3:20:44 GMT
Surely it would make much more sense for them to play in the Welsh league system? It’d certainly be more cost effective
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Post by Admin on Sept 21, 2020 14:50:32 GMT
Confirmed by Merthyr today:- www.merthyrtownfc.co.uk/news/boardstatement210920/A great shame, but they had little alternative. For those asking why they don't play in the Welsh system, Merthyr and Wrexham are the last holdouts in a long and bitter battle between the Welsh FA and senior Welsh non-League clubs. The Welsh FA wanted all Welsh clubs outside the Football League to move into the Welsh system. For sound financial reasons and ambitions many senior clubs initially said "no way". That said the senior North Wales clubs - Bangor, Rhyl, Colwyn Bay and Caernarfon - eventually made the move into the Welsh system, while in the south Barry went bust and Newport made it back to the Football League.
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Sept 21, 2020 16:27:16 GMT
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Post by beardedavenger on Sept 21, 2020 16:27:16 GMT
From a selfish perspective, how would this impact the relegation spots (note I am not referencing the promotion spots:)? Presume it won't result in less regulation spots, just 2 fewer games.
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Post by borobob on Sept 21, 2020 16:59:06 GMT
Not nice to see any Club forced in to such drastic measures, but fully understand the reasons.
Just goes to show how fortunate we are to live in such a 'relatively' safer area!! Lets all help to make sure we stay like it!!
On Bearded's relegation question, it seems a bit hard to benefit on someone else's misfortune, but it happens, although I fear Merthyr may not be the last Club in trouble, or if the League even gets to finish, and if so there would now appear only one position to relegate!!!
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Post by Admin on Sept 21, 2020 17:15:16 GMT
My understanding is Merthyr will NOT be relegated.
Hopefully they will be back next season.
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Sept 21, 2020 18:42:33 GMT
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Post by beardedavenger on Sept 21, 2020 18:42:33 GMT
As Merthyr did not start the league it would appear that they will be able to join the league again next year. Although this presumably still needs to be ratified.
Although B&L pulled out there also still appear to be 3 relegation spots.
So not so good for the remaining teams.
Of course Vic Searle liked to overlook that the reduced number of relegation spots saved the old club from relegation when he was caretaker.
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Post by borobob on Sept 21, 2020 21:26:02 GMT
Some confusion here as some papers show our League with three relegation spots, others two! As we are one club short, it surely must be two relegation positions, with three clubs coming up next season to balance it.
If Merthyr are not going to compete, and are to be allowed to join again next season, then they must be listed as 23rd spot with 0 points, thereby leaving one other relegation spot with three coming up!
Much discussion on other forums as to whether similar clubs should be considered as withdrawn and demoted!
Bit harsh considering the situation is not of their doing. I truly hope we see Merthyr again sometime, and wish them well.
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Sept 21, 2020 22:27:45 GMT
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Post by beardedavenger on Sept 21, 2020 22:27:45 GMT
The league website has three relegation spots. Have not read anywhere how the deficit ia going to be dealt with for 21/22.
Merthyr did not start the season. If w club that has already played games pulls out then they will take one of the relegation spots.
It occurs that there may be a precident here. When teams pulled out last year did the FA not rule that additional clubs should be promoted rather than underperformers being reprieved?
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Post by borobob on Sept 22, 2020 8:56:24 GMT
Not sure how that came about, as we are already one team short because of Blackfield's late withdrawal, therefore only two relegation spots, with three coming up next season. Now Merthyr's late withdrawal would normally mean only one relegation with three replacing next year. IF Merthyr are allowed to remain, then that still leaves just two spots to fight for.
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Sept 22, 2020 9:34:16 GMT
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Post by beardedavenger on Sept 22, 2020 9:34:16 GMT
I have looked this up. What we forgot is that relegation matters are viewed across Step 3 as a whole:
The bottom 2 teams in each of the Step 3 divisions get relegated.
You then have the four team finishing third from bottom. The two with the lowest PPG get relegated. So the league tables should include 3 relegation spots.
I also notice that we are now doing what's more common abroad in terms of promotion from Step 5 (I.e. Combined Counties Prem, etc). And the leagues are being expanded again with more teams being promoted than relegated. Automatic promotion for 1st placed teams. The four 2nd placed teams with highest PPG are also automatically promoted. However what I believe is new is that the remaining 7 then play a Promotion/Relegation Play-Off against a bottom places team from Step 4.
In the past teams had to apply for a ground grading. Are we now at the stage where all teams have to have the relevant grading in place in order to compete?
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Post by borobob on Sept 22, 2020 11:12:57 GMT
Even looking across step 3 as a whole, our division is one team short before all those calculations! Therefore only two relegation spots with three coming in, from whatever source!
If Merthyr do not return, or be accepted, and it's not a given!!, then we are TWO clubs short and only one eligible for relegation.
Our best answer is to finish as high as possible and keep out of all the permutations of AGM cups.
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Sept 22, 2020 15:11:30 GMT
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Post by beardedavenger on Sept 22, 2020 15:11:30 GMT
That calculation was introduced due to B&L dropping out. As it looks like Merthyr's place will be reserved then the calculation would still be valid. If any more teams drop out then that would result in less relegations spots across the three divisions.
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